New AD on exhaust/turbo-charger for certain turbo charged only planes

Scott ShererScott Sherer
in Aviation Alerts
ad for piper turbo chargers.pdf

New AD on exhaust/turbo-charger for certain turbo charged only planes

Scott Sherer
Wright Brothers Master Pilot, FAA Commercial Pilot

Comments

  • djspathisdjspathis

    I don't see the Piper Turbo Arrow (TCM TSIO-360-FB engine) on the list. Did we dodge a bullet or is the engine used in any of the affected airplanes?

    DJ

  • Scott ShererScott Sherer

    Hi DJ,

    That's the first thing I looked for, too. This must just be for large-bore engines. Halleluiah!

    Scott Sherer
    Wright Brothers Master Pilot, FAA Commercial Pilot

  • djspathisdjspathis

    I'm a bit suspicious that "a v-band clamp is a v-band clamp" no matter what the [turbo] application. Maybe different sizes (diameters) but the failure modes of concern would, IMHO, be the same. Just a matter of time before the AD expands to include more engines?

    DJ

  • Scott ShererScott Sherer

    Very good question. I guess we'll monitor this...

    Scott Sherer
    Wright Brothers Master Pilot, FAA Commercial Pilot

  • Seneca38173Seneca38173

    If I'm reading it correctly, applicability is per the table on page 22:


    PA–23, PA–23–160, PA–23–235, PA–23–250, PA–23–250 (Navy UO–1), PA–E23– 250, PA–24–250, PA–24–260, PA–24–400, PA–28–201T, PA–28R–201T, PA– 28RT–201T, PA–30, PA–31, PA–31–325, PA–31–350, PA–31P, PA–31P–350, PA–32– 260, PA–32R–300, PA–32RT–300T, PA–32R–301(SP), PA–32–301T, PA–32R– 301T, PA–34–200, PA–34–200T, PA–34–220T, PA–39, PA–44–180T, PA–46–310P, and PA–46–350P.


    In the estimated costs table on page 17, FAA's use of $85/hour A&P rate falls somewhere between insulting and delusional..... 🤪



    Bob

  • Scott ShererScott Sherer

    Thanks Bob!

    Scott Sherer
    Wright Brothers Master Pilot, FAA Commercial Pilot

  • AZturboarrowAZturboarrow

    And inspect the clamp gently, they are made of unobtainium. On backorder for ever.

  • spate77201tspate77201t

    I asked my maintenance shop to order one and I was told the back order was over 200 days.

  • MRBPIPERMRBPIPER

    Just got out of annual with my Arrow IV and shop explained it was required after re-reading the AD. They did get one for $700 and signed it off. Argue? Not on this one, but maybe some of you can wait it out for a bit.

  • empanninempannin


    https://www.piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1442886#Comment_1442886

    FAA Response: "Three individual commenters requested that the FAA increase the cost per work-hour specified in the NPRM. These commenters stated that $85 per work-hour is too low and does not reflect the true rate charged by their local maintenance facilities, which ranges from $100 to $140 per work-hour. One of these commenters also reported that the estimated records review rate of $42.50 was not supported by industry practice and should be increased. The FAA disagrees. The FAA Office of Aviation Policy and Plans provides the labor rate of $85 per work-hour used when estimating the labor costs for complying with AD requirements. The estimate for the records review rate was based on 1/2 hour at $85 per work-hour. The FAA has not changed this AD as a result of these comments."

    Eric Panning
    1981 Seneca III
    Hillsboro, OR (KHIO)

  • empanninempannin
    https://www.piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1442965#Comment_1442965

    There are some available for immediate delivery (or at least claimed) for a Pa34-220T.

    Eric Panning
    1981 Seneca III
    Hillsboro, OR (KHIO)

  • DigitalpilotnmDigitalpilotnm

    I'm trying to track down the part number for these V-BAND's for my PA28R-201T (1977). Can't find a part number in the Piper docs I have....

    Pointers would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you

  • DigitalpilotnmDigitalpilotnm
    https://piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1442866#Comment_1442866

    I see the TSIO-360-F and the TSIO-360-FB listed in the PDF

    Same for the PA28R-201T

    Table 1, PDF Page 21

    :(

  • MRBPIPERMRBPIPER

    The part number on my invoice is #653332 if that is helpful.

  • DigitalpilotnmDigitalpilotnm
    https://piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1443013#Comment_1443013

    Great! Thank you. How many did you need. I looks like I might need 2 or 3 of them ??

  • roevadasroevadas

    I needed a exhaust part for my Lance II, the part wasn't available in the Piper docs but it is a Lycoming part number...you may want to look there.

  • MRBPIPERMRBPIPER

    Digitalpilotnm - I believe there is only one in question as is described in a recent FASSTEAM briefing: "v-band couplings installed at the tailpipe to the turbocharger exhaust housing flange (it does not apply to riveted couplings)" You should consult with your mechanic to be sure. There is a fair amount of interpretation going on regarding this AD. FYI, I have a Continental TSIO 360-FB.

  • MRBPIPERMRBPIPER

    Typo>>> "FAASTeam" above.

  • DigitalpilotnmDigitalpilotnm
    https://piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1443013#Comment_1443013

    MRBPIPER. do you know where it was sourced from ??


    TCM is sayin 229 days :(

  • MRBPIPERMRBPIPER

    I do not know, try Tornado Alley Turbo.

  • DigitalpilotnmDigitalpilotnm
    https://piperowner.org/talk/discussion/comment/1443040#Comment_1443040

    Hi, Thank you MRPIPER. They have a "similar" part. Will see what I get in the mail and if my A&P/IA will accept it....

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